Talk:Forest raven

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HANZAB doesn't mention the Relict Raven, so I assume that the elevation to species status has been rescinded. Unfortunately volume 7 has not been published yet, so I can't look it up. The latest Australian field guide I have lists it as a subspecies: Corvus tasmanicus boreus. Any further information would be of interest.

Nice work on the raven articles, by the way. Tannin

I would like to get comments from other users but I do not believe Forest Raven ever has white spots on the wings and tail. Also the illustration of the bird with white spots is NOT Forest Raven but Black Currawong (Strepera fuliginosa).

The distribution section is incomplete as this species also occurs patchily in South Australia.

The sanguine vulture (talk) 02:19, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! now removed. Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:28, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

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Note from Graeme Chapman

Note to self (from email from Graeme Chapman bit below) - need to chase refs which support the following....cool.....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:15, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

"Vaurie (1962a) disposed of it by selecting it as a junior homonym of Corvus australis Gmelin, 1788 (p.377) = Monasa atra (Boddaert, 1783) Bucconidae - action of first reviser under ICZN Art. 24."

For checking

• [1] and [2] Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:43, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: FunkMonk (talk · contribs) 12:14, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

• I'll take this one, now I know a bit more about ravens in Australia after all... FunkMonk (talk) 12:14, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
• There's a lot of single sentence paragraphs in this article that I'm not used to seeing elsewhere. Not a problem I guess, but just thought I'd bring it up.

agree this is a bit of an issue - the species is alot less studied than the Australian raven, so can't assume (or use) nearly as much. I'll have a go at some melding after another read-through. have done some melding now. hope it flows ok Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:42, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

• Perhaps the cladogram could be moved to the right? Again, not a big issue, but now it clashes with the header and image below.

tried moving up - on right on a wide screen it bumps into taxobox. Bit of a headache we can have all screen widths. Will have a jig of this a bit later. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:44, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

• Perhaps the taxobox image could get a caption for clarification?

added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:42, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

• "John Latham had described the south-seas raven" I'd expect quote marks for that name, otherwise it is a bit unclear that it (perhaps) refers to the subject of the article. Also, shouldn't South Seas be capitalised in the name? FunkMonk (talk) 13:25, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:42, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

• "the specimen resembles what is now known as the Tasmanian raven" Shouldn't the common name used in the title be used throughout?

done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:42, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

• "Although the term refers to Tonga" Could be a bit more clear what "the term" is.

have changed "term" to "the Friendly Isles", though woirried is a little repetitive - did muse upon "geographical term" as well...would that do? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:42, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Fine for me, problem was just that there was little clue as to what was meant.

• "Gmelin gave the species the name" Why not full name and link?

accident - might have happened when rejigging. fixed now Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:42, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

• "described the forest raven as a distinct subspecies Corvus marianae tasmanicus" But what is Corvus marianae then?

Corvus marianae is an alternate binomial coined by Gregory Mathews (a notorious splitter) for the Australian raven. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:39, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Could this be stated in parenthesis or something? Left me wondering, and the name does not appear to redirect to anything... FunkMonk (talk) 12:33, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

added name and footnote explanation now Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:43, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

• "as the overlap in size is large and the difference in size small" Isn't either of these redundant?

the first does not automatically assume the second I would have thought (you could have things of quite different sizes with significant overlap...?) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:49, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

• Shouldn't Conservation be under relations with humans?

I often put it under distribution and habitat as one often talks of overall population and population changes so it strikes me as being a natural flow. I think it flows better there than under the relationships with humans....but don't feel hugely strongly about it I guess.... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:49, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

• "Birds breed later in Tasmania than they do on mainland Australia, though the species has been little-studied." What is meant with the last part of the sentence? Its breeding has been little studied?

its overall behaviour as well as breeding has been alot less studied than other Australian corvids Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:42, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be stated at the start of the behaviour section then? Now it's kind of hidden way down.

shifted up now Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:26, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

• "with loose throat feathers and being found in "the Friendly Isles" Structure seems a bit odd to me, but perhaps it's alright...

I can see why but can't think of another way to phrase it - these are two key attributes in identifying it but are quite disparate Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:42, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

• The last paragraph under feeding overlaps quit a bit with parts of Relationship with humans.

tried to reduce overlap of material. Is that enough? Tricky as the material really cuts across two areas. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:56, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

• "but restricted to more closed forest on mainland Australia." But is?

fixed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:42, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

• "however appear to be nested" However they?

yep/fixed Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:42, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

• As the intro should summarise the article, I'd expect a bit about breeding?

yep/added Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:00, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

• "The plumage is a glossy black, with a blue or green sheen visible on upper plumage, there is no seasonal variation in plumage." Plumage becomes a bit repetitive (three time sin a sentence), any way to vary it?

rejigged - added "entirely" but not sure whether redundant. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:30, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

• Nice, most of these were nitpicks, so will pass now. FunkMonk (talk) 00:57, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Clarification needed, prose needs copyediting.

• "Birds breed later in Tasmania than mainland Australia, though that species has been little-studied. " Which species?

hmmm, didn't think I put "that" in the beginning, but "the" as just means the forest raven - was reluctant to write "forest raven" as it sound a bit repetitive after the previous sentence Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:55, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

• "Eggs have been recorded from July to September and nestlings in September and October in New South Wales, and nestlings have been noted from September to December in Victoria" -- run on sentence.

changed to "while" as slighlty contrastive Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:55, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

• I'll try to get to these myself later. Sorry I missed this at FA. --Gaff (talk) 04:46, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Photo discussion

In my opinion, we can do better than the third photo - it is difficult to see the bird in the photo due to glare (or whatever the technical term is) and the bird is also rather small in the photo, with various other things such as a cow within the frame that do not add to the understanding of the article. I would therefore recommend subbing in File:Forest Raven - Tasmania S4E6196 (21764640094).jpg which shows the bird more clearly. For reference the 'third photo' is currently: File:Corvus tasmanicus-04.JPG. Would like to know everyone's thoughts. ‡ El cid, el campeador ^talk 22:01, 9 February 2023 (UTC)